A podcast from The Cyber Escape Room Co.

When nobody’s watching.

Honest conversations about what people actually do with security once the training’s finished and nobody’s checking. Eight episodes, nine guests who’ve seen it up close, one host with a position.

About the show

The title is the argument.

Everybody passes the training. And it still keeps happening. Because the real test is when they’re in the office doing their day job, and that’s the bit we talk about on this podcast.

A CISO, a psychologist, a marketer, a Royal Marine, a former police officer. All of them have watched real people make real security decisions, and none of them were invited on to agree with Amy.

Recurring segment

Fix it in 60 seconds

Every guest gets a real piece of training content, the kind that’s in your inbox right now, and sixty seconds to fix it live. Tune in to see how they do.

Amy Stokes-Waters, host
Your host

Amy Stokes-Waters.

Founder and CEO of The Cyber Escape Room Co.

Amy wrote the book on engagement in immersive learning and has spent years watching what people do inside a breach that feels real. She has strong opinions on training, and she isn’t afraid to voice them.

The Tuesday after each episode, Instinct, her newsletter, carries the essay that grew out of it.