When nobody’s watching.
Honest conversations about what people actually do with security once the training’s finished and nobody’s checking. Eight episodes, nine guests who’ve seen it up close, one host with a position.
Eight episodes. One argument.
The Insider
Holly-Jane Grayling · Cognitive Security Institute
The awareness lead who clicked her own phishing test.
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The CISO
Kieren Lovell · Pragmatic Solutions
The CISO who refuses to run phishing tests.
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The Scientist
Bec McKeown · Mind Science
The psychologist who’s studied skill fade and training with the military.
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The Observer
Katie Maycock · GYST
The stress and burnout expert who tests people under pressure.
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The Persuader
Owen Sutton · Quietwork
The marketing expert who understands the attention economy.
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The Standard
Dane Clackworthy · Waterfall Security
The ex Royal Marine who gets how culture is really formed.
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The Attacker
Anthony Enoh & James Linton · Social engineering experts
The social engineers who understand how attackers work.
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The Believer
Marie Jeffery · Blue Light Card
The awareness lead who’s changed a security culture.
Watch or listenThe title is the argument.
Everybody passes the training. And it still keeps happening. Because the real test is when they’re in the office doing their day job, and that’s the bit we talk about on this podcast.
A CISO, a psychologist, a marketer, a Royal Marine, a former police officer. All of them have watched real people make real security decisions, and none of them were invited on to agree with Amy.
Fix it in 60 seconds
Every guest gets a real piece of training content, the kind that’s in your inbox right now, and sixty seconds to fix it live. Tune in to see how they do.
Amy Stokes-Waters.
Founder and CEO of The Cyber Escape Room Co.
Amy wrote the book on engagement in immersive learning and has spent years watching what people do inside a breach that feels real. She has strong opinions on training, and she isn’t afraid to voice them.
The Tuesday after each episode, Instinct, her newsletter, carries the essay that grew out of it.